Bret

April 23, 2024

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Location:

Milton,GA,USA

Member Since:

Jul 27, 2010

Gender:

Male

Goal Type:

Other

Running Accomplishments:

PR's -

Mile - 4:38    (High School)

2 Mile - 10:12 (High School) 

3 mile - 15:51 (High School)

10k - 35:19 (High School)

Marathon - 2:59 marathon (London -2013)

Half marathon - 1:25:18 (Deseret News 2013)

Completed all 6 of the World Marathon Majors 2024

Completed each of the 5 majors (NY, Chicago, Boston, London & Berlin) at least twice.

8 x Boston Marathon (1999, 2000, 2005, 2007, 2014, 2020 (virtual due to covid) 2021, 2022)

13 x NYC Marathon (1997, 1998, 2010, 2011, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2021, 2022, 2023)

 

 

Short-Term Running Goals:

Sub 3 hour marathon

Long-Term Running Goals:

Continue to enjoy running and racing as long as my body permits me.  

Personal:

Old guy - (grandfather even) been running for 40+ years.  

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PM - somewhat of a blown workout. After a long day I headed out on the same river trail.  2 mile warmup then 2 x 2 miles at 6:40/7:10 with a 5 min rest.  Quite warm near 90 with dp at 72 and humid.  Thought I would use the HRM to gauge the effort based on how I have been running those paces on the treadmill - but the first rep was about 20 secs too slow on the first and the second was even slower.  So when I started the second rep I decided to hit the designated paces - which I pretty much did - but my HR was blown up doing it.   The trail was great with mile markers every 10th.  They have a great trail system here - bike and run in the summer and cross country ski or snowshoe in the winter.  

Comments
From Drew on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 20:07:24 from 72.29.197.23

I wouldn't consider that a blown workout Bret - consider you hit your target pace, on the second and last rep no less. That's great.

Personally, when training in the summer, I'd rather hit the target pace than target heart rate if I had to choose. And unfortunately, you will probably not get both. :)

From Jason D on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 20:48:59 from 68.80.27.222

Heart rate training in the heat is tricky. I need to see what is available out there for research, particularly concerning HR versus perceived effort. I can actually run 167-172 BPM for what I call marathon pace but this would be quite high for most people. But yet there are hot days when even 160-165 feels very hard.

I stopped using my HR monitor for easy runs when it is nasty out. I can't run slow enough on a recovery run to stay under 135. Well, I can but it sometimes would take running slower than 10:30 pace, which I am just not willing to do because it is not great for form.

All this to say, I think your HR monitor can hold you back even though it is a great training tool. I would guess there is a wider margin of perceived effort versus HR reading in the heat but I don't have evidence to support that.

I am curious about how you felt about the effort versus what was reflected.

From Rob Murphy on Tue, Sep 01, 2015 at 21:38:22 from 24.10.247.181

Travel, long day at work, hot…all things considered, a pretty good effort.

Don't forget we're ancient, decrepit old men Bret. By all rights, a respectable man of your station of life should be on the golf course and then relaxing at the "19th hole" after such a day.

From Bret on Wed, Sep 02, 2015 at 07:46:30 from 107.77.89.22

Thanks for the comments guys.

I think I was more disappointed that this effort was much more difficult than I think it should have been. The second rep felt more like a VO2 max effort than a high aerobic/tempo effort which is what I was looking for.

I know we should not gauge our perceived race performance on how we feel or perform in a single workout. But the thought kept coming back to my mind that if my race was today, I would have no hope of running anywhere close to those paces for 26 miles.

Rob - yes - fully aware of being ancient and decrepit (thanks for that! :)) - and ask myself why I continue to train - but as long as the good training days outnumber the lousy ones - I will use the golf course for running.

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